Curse

Riot Narita · May 24, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

You can already click on someone's name in any chat channel, and whisper/ignore them.

My suggestion: In the Trade Channel, change "ignore" to "filter" so that it adds a person to a *temporary* ignore list. This filter list will reset every time you zone.

I see this as rather simple and more "do-able" than an auction house, but possibly with a very big impact on trade spam.

The intended result:
1. Buyers can quickly and systematically remove all trade chat until only stuff they're interested in is left.

2. Sellers can spam, or not spam, same as now. But spamming will offer no advantage, and they don't need to waste their time doing it: Buyers will read an ad once, and either enter negotiations, or remove ALL messages from that seller from view. A seller who only posted one message will very quickly be seen by a buyer after a few "filters" has cleared out the stuff they're not interested in.

3. Once the futility of spamming sets in, sellers will spam less and less, and therefore (after an initial "spike") buyers will need to use "filter" less and less...

4. Sellers might instead take advantage of the Party screen, but I doubt it - it limits your text too much. So, no "fix" needed for Party screen.

Possible downsides:
Over to you, fire away...

pamelf · May 24, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

I think it's a great idea, but I'm not sure how it would work in practical application...

freekedoutfish · May 24, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

I dont understand why we need to put them onto a tempary list? What if you need to zone in and out of the same outpost several times? the ignore list will get wiped ever time.

Just add an ignore button to the main chat window, and make it perminant and either increase the ignore limit or make it infinate!

That makes alot more sense. I dont want to add someone for spamming temportily. I want to add them perminantly. Otherwise where is the insentive to not spam?

Riot Narita · May 24, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I dont understand why we need to put them onto a tempary list? What if you need to zone in and out of the same outpost several times? the ignore list will get wiped ever time.

Just add an ignore button to the main chat window, and make it perminant and either increase the ignore limit or make it infinate!

That makes alot more sense. I dont want to add someone for spamming temportily. I want to add them perminantly. Otherwise where is the insentive to not spam?

I already pointed out the incentive to not spam, if this were implemented. Sellers would gain no benefit from spamming. They will end up ignored. They only need to make a post every 5 minutes or so, to catch a new crowd of potential buyers who may have logged/zoned in.

You wouldn't want it to be permanent, because:

a) the idea is not to ignore *people* - only *items for sale* that you are not interested in right now. At some point in the future the same person might be selling something you *do* want.

b) permanent "ignores" would require A-Net to permanently store vast numbers of names I envisage this being more problematic to implement.

c) if you zone in and out several times, you are hardly likely to be interested in trading, so why would you care if the temporary list gets reset?

d) I don't want to stop people advertising items for sale, or restrict trade or spam - the idea is to remove the incentive to spam and make it easier than it is now, for buyers to find what they want. To save time for both sellers and buyers.

e) Doing this would eventually stop people spamming, and therefore you won't feel the need for your permanent angry hate-banning any more.

freekedoutfish · May 24, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Hissy

I already pointed out the incentive to not spam, if this were implemented. Sellers would gain no benefit from spamming. They will end up ignored.

Sorry but a tempary ban isnt a deterant.

I've seen a many, many threads concerning the ignore list, and its limit. The general reponce by people who spam is this....

"I dont care if you ignore me when I spam, because there is a limit and eventually you have to take me off the list. Then you have re-ignore me again!"

...If they know the /ignore is temp, it wont bother them in the slightest. Because they know, the minute you leave that city and come back, you will be able to see them again.

The only way to detere spammers is if we have a visible Mod presence in capital cities to ban people doing it, and/or to increase the ignore list to infinite or into the 100s.

Once people realise their on a list perminantly, it has a much greater impact then a temp ignore.

But I find your logic confusing.....

....your saying you dont want it be perminant, because that same annoying, frustrating, rude spammer might sell an item you want at a later date. But you'l ignore them for now, because their not?

Thats not an attitude that is going to stop spamming. That is an attitude of "its only annoying, if im not benefiting from it"!

Yes perminant /ignores and larger lists are going to require larger storage space. But its what we need to stop it!!! Spamming is something that should never be tollerated and if I want to /ignore someone, i want it to be perminant and not have to remove them later.

I put someone on ignore for a reason. If I remove them later, then im likely to encounter them at a later date in the same city, spamming again. I dont want that.

Add an option to do perminant and temp /ignores. But I still want my option to perminantly ignore a person and as many people as I like.

Riot Narita · May 24, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Dude, the idea is FILTERING the trade channel. Don't get hung up on the word "ignore", and permanently hate-banning people who annoy you. It's not about punishment, it's not about "deterrent". Your comments are based around the existing (permanent) Ignore List, which we all know doesn't work. I'm not talking about that.

It's about adding an extra filtering option to the Trade channel only. It's about removing the incentive to spam.

I want something that makes trading easier, for both buyers and sellers. Something that is easy for a-net to implement without blowing the development budget for the next year. This idea mostly uses mechanisms that already exist in GW.

Think about actual TRADING. Not PEOPLE who annoy you. Compared to what we have now - as a seller you must spam endlessly, as a buyer you have to stare at endless spam scrolling by. Just think about it a minute. Envisage yourself trying to sell something, and then trying to buy something under this system. Don't you think this would make things much easier on both sides?

Everyone spams the trade channels. EVERYONE. Because currently, they HAVE to. So what your suggestion amounts to, is banning everyone who ever tries to sell anything, ever. The result, empty trade channel. No trade at all. if that's what you want, you can already achieve this yourself, with no help from A-Net: turn off trade chat...

Halbarad Wolfson · May 25, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

even though i think there are better ways to improve the trade system in GW, i think that would be a step in the right direction.

one that would WORK and be very easy to implement. the limit for that "temporary trade chat filter" (i won't use the term ignore list because then freekedoutfish will keep misunderstanding the suggestion) wouldn't even have to be too high, it can be just the number of players allowed in one district.

it could be a "first in first out" list, so if the list is full and you add someone, the oldest entry will drop out.

/signed
and in addition the character limit in the search tab should be expanded.
although i'd prefer an auction house, but why not have temporary solutions meanwhile.

freekedoutfish · May 25, 2007, 07:44 AM // 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

Dude, the idea is FILTERING the trade channel. Don't get hung up on the word "ignore", and permanently hate-banning people who annoy you. It's not about punishment, it's not about "deterrent". Your comments are based around the existing (permanent) Ignore List, which we all know doesn't work. I'm not talking about that.

Well the OP used the term "ignore", so its not my fault I focused on that. Had he used the word "filter" and talked about improving the filtering system to either ignore certain people or certain thrases, thats different.

If you could quite easily click a name and say filter (to temparily ignore them while in that instance) then that makes sense to me, in the sense of a filter.

If your talking ignoring people, the my points are valid.

Riot Narita · May 25, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Well the OP used the term "ignore", so its not my fault I focused on that. Had he used the word "filter" and talked about improving the filtering system to either ignore certain people or certain thrases, thats different..

I edited my original post to try make it clearer. Seems I can't change the thread subject though.

The functionality is for filtering, but I originally used the term "ignore" because if it were implemented, it would largely use the existing functionality for ignoring people.

Toilet Oni · May 25, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Isnt it better to attack the source of the spam-problem?

Aera Lure · May 25, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

I already pointed out the incentive to not spam, if this were implemented. Sellers would gain no benefit from spamming. They will end up ignored. They only need to make a post every 5 minutes or so, to catch a new crowd of potential buyers who may have logged/zoned in.

You wouldn't want it to be permanent, because:

a) the idea is not to ignore *people* - only *items for sale* that you are not interested in right now. At some point in the future the same person might be selling something you *do* want.

b) permanent "ignores" would require A-Net to permanently store vast numbers of names I envisage this being more problematic to implement.

c) if you zone in and out several times, you are hardly likely to be interested in trading, so why would you care if the temporary list gets reset?

d) I don't want to stop people advertising items for sale, or restrict trade or spam - the idea is to remove the incentive to spam and make it easier than it is now, for buyers to find what they want. To save time for both sellers and buyers.

e) Doing this would eventually stop people spamming, and therefore you won't feel the need for your permanent angry hate-banning any more.

Is it so much for Anet to store 100 names or whatever one comes up with? I dont think so really. I vote an infinite list or at least 50 anyway.

I'd like to ignore spammers of the annoying variety. No one read that as the honest WTB and WTS traders on Trade channel who arent repeating lines in multiple succession. I would not like this list reset. I'd wish to leave them there for good because I dont wish to encourage that sort of behavior so they would simply lose my business for good.

If we dont like the idea of an ignore extension, I'm fine with a Mute button then. Its similar to ignore, except its a longer allowable list, and anyone who's on it you dont see their All and Trade channel messages. Its like a halfway ignore, so you could still see them on Team channel should you one day end up partying with them. Just a thought.

I'd be just as happy though with an extension to the ignore maximum. I'd park the lot of them there for good. Again, for me, that's just those doing All channel sales spamming. Very very few actually do that on the Trade channel.

If Anet cannot filter for us, then I am perfectly happy with us filtering for ourselves. Probably easier for us to set the balance just as we'd like, and also probably easier for Anet ultimately.